the great debate

• dream theater ın six degrees of inner turbulence albümünün ilk cd sindeki 4. şarkı.. tool aenema albümünden esinlendikleri bariz bi şekilde belli. şarkı third eye gibi başlıyo ve ortalarında biyerde 46 & 2 (resmen aynısı) bölümü var. deişik bişey yapmaya çalışiim derken tool şarkısının aynısını kopya etmişler gibi geldi bana. gene de albümün en iyi şarkısı diyebilirim.
• dream theater'ın stem cell araştırması üstüne yaptığı can şarkı. dt'ın ilk defa politik görüş sergilediği bir şarkıdır.
• kesinlikle albümün en iyi şarkısı. sözleri de hakkaten vurucu. tool'a olan benzerliği de sadece konsept olarak örtüşür bence ki dream theater daha önce de yapmıştı böle konsept şarkılar ama iyi ki de benzetmişler tabii gayet nefis olmuş.
  
  sağcı solcu sample'larla beraber bütün lyricleri de şöyle:
  
  six degrees of inner turbulence
  
  4th degree - the great debate [13:43]
  [also known as "conflict at ground zero"]
  music by myung, petrucci, portnoy, rudess
  lyrics by john petrucci
  
  [both channels]
  "a gallup snapshot poll taken immediately after
  president bush's speech on funding embryonic
  stem cell research last night shows that half of
  americans approve of his decision, 25% do not,
  and still another 25% aren't sure what to think."
  
  [left channel]
  "most people don't even know what stem cells are."
  
  [both channels]
  "who's going to scream the loudest, will it be the
  right-to-lifer's, will it be the scientists?
  and now what's going to happen is that there will
  be a tremendous amount of lobbying in washington
  d.c. scientists, entertainers, people who want to
  see this research will be coming forth."
  
  [right channel]
  "i'm concerned about it, christopher reeves is
  concerned about it, everyone is concerned about it,
  but the big question is, do the ends justify the
  means? and when we talk about research, yes we can
  cure a lot things speculatively, but where's the
  proof?"
  
  [left channel]
  "these developing human beings that they're talking
  about, these embryos were produced in an artificial
  scientific environment, in vitro fertilization is
  not god's will."
  
  [right channel]
  "that doesn't make them any less human though, after
  that happens."
  
  [both channels]
  "we're on a road where we really don't where we're
  going as far as what's next, we're talking about
  harvesting embryos, we're talking about this, we're
  talking about that, but what is the cost?"
  
  [left channel]
  "how could we possibly abandon the research?"
  
  [the following samples are played simultaneously]
  
  [left channel]
  "well that's right, it's the old question, i mean if
  you think the research is good, of course you'd have
  no problem at all with it. it's only if you think the
  research involved is something evil, then you get the
  question of ‘is it okay to [???]?’ and the truth of
  the matter is that we do that all the time with organ
  transplants, i mean with people that are killed or
  murdered or people who're just victims of automobile
  accidents, abandoning all [???]. we do take their organs
  and we look to try to save other lives. we try to [???]
  all the time. [???] kill someone [???]"
  
  [left channel]
  "and i'd like to mention that we don't have the answers
  yet. we need to put the money into something that'll
  hopefully get those answers in the future. listen,
  we're out of time."
  
  [right channel]
  "and in this country there was a great outrage of [???]
  from all points. from churches, mainline [???]...
  that you can not use [???]... to cure [???]...
  and as it turned out [???]... great outrage... [???]"
  
  what if someone said
  promise lies ahead
  hopes are high in certain scientific circles
  life won't have to end
  you could walk again
  
  what if someone said
  problems lie ahead
  they've uncovered something highly controversial
  the right to life is strong
  can't you see it's wrong
  
  human kind has reached a turning point
  poised for conflict at ground zero
  ready for a war
  do we look to our unearthly guide
  or to white coat heroes
  searching for a cure
  
  turn to the light
  don't be frightened of the shadows it creates
  turn to the light
  turning away would be a terrible mistake
  
  anarchistic moral vision
  industries of death
  facing violent opposition
  unmolested breathe
  
  ethic inquisitions breed
  antagonistic views
  right wing sound bite premonitions
  in a labyrinth of rules
  
  are you justified
  are you justified
  are you justified
  justified in taking
  life to save life
  life to save life
  taking life to save life
  
  this embryonic clay
  wrapped in fierce debate
  would be thrown away
  or otherwise discarded
  
  some of us believe
  it may hold the key
  to treatment of disease
  and secrets highly guarded
  
  are you justified
  are you justified
  are you justified
  justified in taking
  life to save life
  life to save life
  life to save life
  
  human kind has reached a turning point
  poised for conflict at ground zero
  ready for a war
  do we look to our unearthly guide
  or to white coat heroes
  
  turn to the light
  don't be frightened of the shadows it creates
  turn to the light
  turning away would be a terrible mistake
  
  we're reaching
  but have we gone too far
  
  harvesting existence
  only to destroy
  carelessly together
  we are sliding
  
  someone else's future
  four days frozen still
  someone else's fate
  we are deciding
  
  miracle potential
  sanctity of life
  faced against each other
  we're divided
  
  should we push the boundaries
  or should we condemn
  moral guilt and science
  have collided
  
  turn to the light
  we defy our own mortality these days
  turn to the light
  pay attention to the questions we have raised
  
  [the following samples are played simultaneously]
  
  [left channel]
  "...research, scientific advancement. and i know we're
  going down a road that we may not know where we end, but
  we...that's exactly what science is all about. i'm very sorry,
  but i you know i do feel sympathy for people who whose spines
  are...have uh have been severed. there's a possibility we
  might be able to cure them. i am concerned about a cure for
  juvenile diabetes. and if these types of scientific
  advancements can cure these diseases, then quite candidly
  i think there ought to be at least, what president bush has
  said, some limited research."
  
  [right channel]
  "one of the one of the big questions that still remains for
  me though is that all of these embryos that are are set or
  uh being discarded for example um is this worse than just
  throwing those away?"
  
  [right channel]
  "we don't know if they're going to be discarded. all of a
  sudden, i mean, we're going to say, uh we started with the
  ones that are going to be discarded. then all of a sudden,
  we're going to have people being solicited to donate parts
  of their their anatomy to harvest parts of, like, a part
  of what have you. i mean that's how's it starts."
  
  [right channel]
  "even though if they start soliciting, women and men in
  fertility clinics have extra embryos."
  
  [right channel]
  "stem cells come from developing human beings and that they
  shouldn't be uh experimented on in a way that doesn't make
  sense or that is unethical, but at the same time there is
  great promise."
  
  [left channel]
  "i have a 28-year-old son, her grandson, that that uh is
  uh paraplegic. and if there is a small chance that my son
  would be able to have any feeling and be able to walk, i
  am for it."
  
  [right channel]
  "a human body having evolving for tens of thousands of
  years and we're just injecting cells from embryos into
  people's brains, and and how do we come to to do something
  like that?"
• albümün ilk cdsinin misunderstood ve disappearla beraber en iyi $arkısı. dream theater'ın erotomania kadar deneysel olmasa da , deneysel bir $arkısı.
• beni, daha önce sadece yalnızca ismini duymuş olduğum kök hücre davası üzerinde araştırma yapmaya itmiş şarkı. genel olarak insanlığın bu tedavi yönteminin doğru olup olmadığına dair büyük bir tartışma içerisinde olduğunu anlatıyor olsa da "are you justified in taking life, to save life?", "we defy our own mortality these days.", "someone else's fate we are deciding." gibi sözler, dream theater'ın araştırmanın devam ettirilmemesi gerektiği yönünde taraf tutuyor olduğunu düşündürüyor.
• sarkidan grubun bu "debate" hakkinda ne dusundugunu anlamak gercekten zor.. ayrica dream theater sevgisini bi yana birakalim, sozleri ahenksiz ve dt ye gicik ettiren bi sarki...
• insanı en isteksiz halinde bile ayaklandırıp hoplayıp zıplatacak kadar hayvani gaz bir dream theater başyapıtı.hakikaten şölen gibi bişey.
• grubun taraf olmaya çalışmadığı, aksine iki tarafı da seslendirdiği, bir yandan; "ışığa dön, yarattığı gölgeler seni korkutmasın; arkanı dönüp gitmek korkunç bir hata olacaktır" diyerek aklın ve bilimin yolundan dem vururken; öte yandan "can kurtarmak için başka bir canı almayı haklı görüyor musun?" diyerek, inançların yönlendirmesini de yanına alan muhafazakar düşünceyi verir bizlere. ayrıca, objektif olarak sorgulayan başka bir ses daha mevcuttur ki grubun durduğu nokta da burasıdır şarkıdaki.
  
  ama hepsinden öte; yine aşmış bir müzik eseridir, yaratıcı kurgusuyla.
• mike portnoy un intro ve outroda yapisik ikiz tadindaki setinin iki hihat pedaliyla double hihat gittigi parca.
• bir tool parçasına hem müzik hem de içerik açısından o kadar çok benzemektedir ki, kim olduğu bilmeden dinlenirse rahatlıkla "aha tool çalıyo la?" denebilir bence.